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Can someone help me figure out how to negotiate with a pushy Honda salesperson who is adding hidden fees to my quote right now?
ChatGPTgpt-6Geminigemini-3.5-flash-lite3 passes + 1 real-search35 queries10/30/2026
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Gemini unique queries
34
2 in ≥ half the passes · stability 35%
ChatGPT real searches predicted
0%
0 of 1 matched the simulation
Fan-out diagram
Seed → topic clusters → sub-queries, per model.
SEED QUERY
Can someone help me figure out how to negotiate with a pushy Honda salesperson who is adding hidden fees to my quote right now?
34 unique queries · 3 passes
Badge and edge weight = share of passes that produced the query. Hover a query for its intent and routing format.
Query classes
Google's semantic query class for every sub-query: what kind of answer each search is after, simulated vs real.
ChatGPT real searches (1)
Classes come from the query-classifier (a local Laya model). 1 of 1 calls are low-confidence (under 50%) — hover a query in the table to see its confidence. 34 queries are still being classified.
What the models actually searched
Each model answered the query with its own web search. These are the searches it ran, matched to the closest simulated query.
ChatGPT1 real searches · gpt-60% predicted
Maryland car dealer processing fee cap 2026 dealer processing charge law advertised price mandatory fees Maryland Attorney General vehicle purchase Google ↗
Semantic map
Every query placed by meaning (EmbeddingGemma 2, 256-d). Shaded regions are topics, nearby points are near-paraphrases, and a circle's size is how often the query came back.
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Queries
34 queries · click a column to sort
| Query / type | Search | Intent | Query class | Routing format | Cluster | Freq ↓ | Weight |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
how to get rid of dealer added fees honda dealership REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know specific strategies for removing unexpected dealer fees from a car purchase quote. | — | how_to_steps | honda markup and pricing negotiation | 2x of 3 | |
walk away power car dealership negotiation tactics RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to understand how to use the threat of leaving to force the salesperson to drop fees. | — | web_article | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 2x of 3 | |
how to negotiate dealer doc fees and hidden charges REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants a direct restatement to find actionable ways to remove unwanted fees from a car quote. | — | how_to_steps | identifying and negotiating hidden fees | 1x of 3 | |
common hidden fees car dealership doc fee add ons RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants a list of typical hidden fees that dealerships sneak into quotes to identify what they are being charged for. | — | checklist | identifying and negotiating hidden fees | 1x of 3 | |
common hidden dealer fees car purchase RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants a comprehensive list of standard hidden fees that dealerships try to add to car quotes. | — | checklist | identifying and negotiating hidden fees | 1x of 3 | |
common dealer add ons to refuse when buying a car RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to identify which specific fees and add-ons are optional versus mandatory. | — | checklist | refusing unwanted dealer accessories | 1x of 3 | |
walk away power in car negotiation tactics IMPLICIT | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user needs to understand how and when to use the threat of leaving the dealership to drop unwanted fees. | — | web_article | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 1x of 3 | |
can a car dealer add fees after giving a quote IMPLICIT | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know the legality and ethics of changing a quote right before signing. | — | faq_page | legality of post quote fee increases | 1x of 3 | |
dealer fees vs manufacturer destination fees what is legal COMPARATIVE | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to distinguish between mandatory official fees and optional dealer markup fees. | — | comparison_table | state dealer fee laws and limits | 1x of 3 | |
honda dealer markup vs MSRP fair price COMPARATIVE | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to compare standard MSRP pricing against dealer markups to evaluate if their quote is fair. | — | comparison_table | honda markup and pricing negotiation | 1x of 3 | |
out the door price negotiation strategy car buying REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to shift the negotiation focus entirely to the total out-the-door price rather than monthly payments or itemized fees. | — | buyers_guide | out the door price negotiation strategi… | 1x of 3 | |
dealer doc fees legal limits by state ENTITY EXPANSION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know if the documentation fees or other administrative charges on their quote are legally capped. | — | faq_page | state dealer fee laws and limits | 1x of 3 | |
honda civic out the door price breakdown calculator ENTITY EXPANSION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to calculate the true out-the-door price of a Honda vehicle without inflated add-ons. | — | calculator/tool | calculating out the door price | 1x of 3 | |
dealing with aggressive car salesmen high pressure tactics PERSONALIZED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants advice on how to maintain composure and stand their ground against a pushy salesperson. | — | faq_page | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 1x of 3 | |
how to handle high pressure car salesmen tactics PERSONALIZED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user is looking for defensive communication strategies against aggressive sales tactics happening in real-time. | — | how_to_steps | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 1x of 3 | |
honda dealer markup negotiation tips ENTITY EXPANSION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants advice specific to Honda dealerships and brand-specific add-ons. | — | forum/qna | honda markup and pricing negotiation | 1x of 3 | |
can a car dealer change the price after giving a quote REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know if the current quote modifications by the salesperson are legally binding or allowed. | — | glossary/definition | legality of post quote fee increases | 1x of 3 | |
out the door price car calculator RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to calculate the true total cost of the car including taxes, fees, and registration to counter the quote. | — | calculator/tool | calculating out the door price | 1x of 3 | |
is dealer prep fee mandatory IMPLICIT | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know if they can legally refuse specific fake charges like 'dealer prep' or 'destination surcharges' that are already covered. | — | glossary/definition | state dealer fee laws and limits | 1x of 3 | |
how to negotiate out the door price car buying guide RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants a comprehensive guide on negotiating the final price rather than monthly payments or line items. | — | buyers_guide | out the door price negotiation strategi… | 1x of 3 | |
mandatory dealer accessories add ons can you refuse REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know if they have the legal right to refuse pre-installed dealer add-ons like window tint or protection packages. | — | forum/qna | refusing unwanted dealer accessories | 1x of 3 | |
buying a car cash vs financing hidden fees comparison COMPARATIVE | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to understand how payment methods affect the dealer's ability to tack on backend fees. | — | comparison_table | identifying and negotiating hidden fees | 1x of 3 | |
dealer added accessories mandatory or optional IMPLICIT | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user needs to know if they can legally refuse pre-installed dealer accessories like window tint or nitrogen tires. | — | forum/qna | refusing unwanted dealer accessories | 1x of 3 | |
honda civic accord buying guide pricing negotiation ENTITY EXPANSION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants model-specific pricing expectations and invoice prices for Honda vehicles. | — | buyers_guide | out the door price negotiation strategi… | 1x of 3 | |
how to deal with aggressive car finance manager RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants strategies for standing their ground against high-pressure sales tactics in the finance office. | — | how_to_steps | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 1x of 3 | |
honda financial services vs third party auto loan rates ENTITY EXPANSION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to compare financing options to counter inflated finance office fees. | — | pricing_page | honda markup and pricing negotiation | 1x of 3 | |
dealer added dealer prep fee scam RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to know if 'dealer prep' or 'destination' charges added to their quote are legitimate. | — | glossary/definition | identifying and negotiating hidden fees | 1x of 3 | |
tips for first time car buyers dealing with dealership add ons PERSONALIZED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user needs foundational advice tailored to someone who might feel intimidated or inexperienced in a dealership. | — | buyers_guide | refusing unwanted dealer accessories | 1x of 3 | |
phrases to shut down car salesman add ons RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants exact scripts or wording to use right now to stop the salesperson from adding fees. | — | how_to_steps | refusing unwanted dealer accessories | 1x of 3 | |
car dealership negotiation script what to say to finance manager IMPLICIT | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user needs exact phrasing and scripts to reject unnecessary add-ons when finalizing paperwork. | — | how_to_steps | out the door price negotiation strategi… | 1x of 3 | |
car loan interest rate markup calculator RELATED | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to check if the finance rate being quoted includes an hidden dealer interest rate markup. | — | calculator/tool | calculating out the door price | 1x of 3 | |
mandatory vs optional car dealer fees list REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants a quick reference list to distinguish between required state fees and dealer profit scams. | — | checklist | state dealer fee laws and limits | 1x of 3 | |
dealership scam tactics bait and switch fee padding REFORMULATION | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to identify if the current situation constitutes deceptive trade practices. | — | web_article | dealing with high pressure sales tactics | 1x of 3 | |
invoice price vs sticker price honda COMPARATIVE | Google ↗ AI Mode ↗ | The user wants to understand the difference between what the dealer paid for the car and the retail price. | — | comparison_table | honda markup and pricing negotiation | 1x of 3 |
Passes
Does another pass still surface new queries? A flattening curve means the fan-out has stabilised.
Geminix = pass, y = cumulative unique queries
| Model | Pass | Target | Generated | Seconds | Tokens (in / out) | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| gemini-3.5-flash-lite | 1 | 12 | 12 | — | 925 / 1,451 | |
| gemini-3.5-flash-lite | 2 | 12 | 12 | — | 925 / 1,449 | |
| gemini-3.5-flash-lite | 3 | 12 | 12 | — | 925 / 1,480 |